Comments on: Entrecard Debate: Pro choice vs Pro life

By: Abortion

Abortion — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:31:54 +0000

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By: Tom DeMattia

Tom DeMattia — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:29:43 +0000

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By: Sameer

Sameer — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:47:25 +0000

I think that abortion is another form of murder but should be used if the mothers’ life is at risk and the baby will die anyway.

By: Lee Doyle

Lee Doyle — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:41:03 +0000

@CyberCelt

Im sorry. I was not trying to bait or do anything bad. Im sorry if that is what you think.

It is a discussion and that is what I am doing. Just because I do not agree with your and you do not agree with me does not make it anything else.

By: CyberCelt

CyberCelt — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:32:01 +0000

“Lee Doyle said:

But it is something to debate about, because your saying it is the women’s choice… So that is pro choice. I am saying it is not the women’s choice as she can not decide the babies death.”

Lee, I never said anything about women’s or men’s choice. I was relating my experiences.

Evidently this is link bait, so count me out of the discussion. In fact, please delete this and the comment above. I thought this was for real.

By: Lee Doyle

Lee Doyle — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:22:35 +0000

Janna, it is also very easy for a women to dismiss a man as we can not carry a child. Do you think just because we can not carry a child we should have no say so in if our child lives or dies?

Its is very difficult to know your powerless in having your child live or die… Those words are very easy to spout.

if the government was not involved there would no no time limit on when the baby could be killed. here in the UK it is already proven that the date is to long… But they even want that time made longer.

By: Janna

Janna — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:13:47 +0000

I agree with Shanti.
Women are entitled to decide this for themselves.
I especially agree with her comment that it’s EASY for men to be pro-life, because they never have to go through pregnancy and childbirth. Words are easy to spout forth when you’re not the one undergoing the difficulty.

I also agree with CyberCelt and Darwin, who said that this is a private matter in which the government has no right to interfere.

By: Chelle

Chelle — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:29:03 +0000

I think you are right on about this. I hear all the arguments for abortion and to me it is murder, plain and simple. Life begins when the heart starts beating

By: Anna

Anna — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:56:25 +0000

I believe that the only person that has a right to decide this is God. He gave that special gift (baby) for a reason. It is not up to us to decide whether that human being gets to live or die. All of those that do decide to have abortions will have to answer to it one day.
The only reason an abortion should be allowed is a medical one. What I mean is this…if that baby is ‘dying’ in the womb, suffocating to death or has already died, then and only then should it be taken from the womans body. Who are we to make that decision? My sister is one of those people that would love to have children but medically can’t. If someone was to carry the baby, give birth, and give it up, that would be far better than to kill it all together.
I have 3 children and being a single mom, it is a struggle! But I would not trade for one second their life for my selfish needs.

By: Cynthia Blue

Cynthia Blue — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:01:09 +0000

I am pro choice, I posted about this subject, too.

By: Luna Tail » Blog Archive » Entrecard Debate: Pro choice vs Pro life

Luna Tail » Blog Archive » Entrecard Debate: Pro choice vs Pro life — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:57:18 +0000

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By: Canucklehead

Canucklehead — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:39:37 +0000

It’s a difficult subject to be sure. To that end, I will simply say that now that I’m safe, I’m pro-choice.

By: Darwin (Wicca Warrior)

Darwin (Wicca Warrior) — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:13:41 +0000

Lee, while I respect your view that abortion is murder, I do have to ask where you draw the line? You say when there is blood (about Day 22) there is life … but there are people who say sooner than that, and oppose various birth control methods because of where they believe life begins (They call the BC methods “abortificants”).

Science is still grappling with this question, and the law is even further behind. If someone kills a happily pregnant woman, is it one count of murder or two? Right now, the answer depends upon which state you live in and whether or not the DA thinks they can make a second murder charge stick. If a happily pregnant woman dies in a car crash, is it one funeral or two?

Now to really throw gasoline on the fire: if abortion is murder, what is a miscarriage?

By: Lee Doyle

Lee Doyle — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:54:27 +0000

Why is it interesting most men are pro life? Just because we cant carry a child does not mean we dont care for life or want a child to die more or less. Do you have any idea what its like to know a child of yours has been murdered? Men do not have a choice in the matter do we… Even though it is our child too.

If you found a child whos parents did not love it and could not be bothered with it would you just end its life? No…. because then you get to see the child and see it is alive… But its the same for a child who is unborn… Its not better for the child for the mother to kill it… its just better for the mother…. I am sure it would rather live if it had the choice.

By: Shanti

Shanti — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:57:32 +0000

This is a very delicate matter. Most people equate an abortion with murder, and then some see it as something different alltogether.
I believe(I blogged about this also) that this decision should be made by the mother. As it is her body. Yes I worry about the child and the life it could have had. But is it better to put a child on this earth that you know you can not raise and don’t want?

It’s interesting also that most men are pro life, they will never have to carry a child.
Maybe that’s why they want to take the power to decide away from the woman. They don’t know what a woman goes through is a situation like this. It’s not a decision that one makes overnight. And it will haunt you, but it’s a decision that every woman needs to make for her self when the need arises.

By: Lee Doyle

Lee Doyle — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:47:48 +0000

@Darwin
The government needs to have some rules/laws…. If everything was just on a moral order and it was just between the people involved we would have no laws. People would be killing each other as murder can come down to morals.

Why is not killing something that just can not talk not murder? The baby is alive.

By: Darwin (Wicca Warrior)

Darwin (Wicca Warrior) — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:13:12 +0000

I’ll have to come down on the “pro-choice” side by saying it is NOT the government’s decision here. It is a private matter between the woman, the man, the doctor, and their god(s). The government is not qualified to be any of those four!

It is a medical decision. It is a personal decision. It is a moral and ethical decision.

The only reason it became a legal decision was because people did not respect boundaries and felt a need to interfere.

By: Lee Doyle

Lee Doyle — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:09:21 +0000

But it is something to debate about, because your saying it is the women’s choice… So that is pro choice. I am saying it is not the women’s choice as she can not decide the babies death.

By: CyberCelt

CyberCelt — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:05:50 +0000

I believe this is a private matter for the individuals involved to decide. No one can make a decision for another person and this is a major life-changing decision.

I have know women who used abortions like birth control.

I have known women who wanted a child so bad and could never get pregnant.

I knew a woman who knew she would have a baby with Down Syndrome and had the child anyway. The baby never thrived, had open heart surgery and died before his first birthday.

Another friend of mine got pregnant when she was 17. She was a Catholic and her family said, “if you have an abortion or keep the baby, you are not part of the family.” So, instead she had the baby and gave it up for adoption. Almost 40 years later, she still gets depressed on that child’s birthday. She has three children she raised in marriage, but it is the one she gave away that kills her soul.

It is not an easy decision. Leave it to each person to decide.

God bless.